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标题: 求富特的华纳重发55CD包子 [打印本页]
作者: scfan    时间: 2023-2-3 13:30
标题: 求富特的华纳重发55CD包子

作者: Sanchez    时间: 2023-2-4 11:31
蹲一个，富特的录音是无价之宝
作者: dxs390413    时间: 2023-2-5 13:26
喜欢富特的音乐，顶一个
作者: 97380623    时间: 2023-2-8 14:31
同求啊
作者: zeppelin    时间: 2023-2-8 14:40
本帖最后由 zeppelin 于 2023-2-8 15:07 编辑

Warner and Universal have cooperated to assemble this box of Wilhelm Furtwangler’s Complete Studio Recordings.
126 recordings of music by 26 composers on 55 CDs.
The music is arranged in chronological order of recording session, 1926 through 1954.
SERIOUS FLAW: Warner forgot to include an alphabetical index. Good luck finding what you want.
So I created an Index – see the end of this review.
Feel free to copy it.

Everything in the Warner box is “newly remastered in 24-bit/192kHz from the original tapes by Art & Son Studio, Annecy”.
I haven’t heard all previous remasterings, so I’m not qualified to say that this is the best possible sound, but these do sound very good.
Modified “original jacket” format, with 190 page booklet in English, French and German.

The new box has one addition to Furtwangler’s discography: The third movement “Elegie” from Tchaikovsky’s Serenade for Strings.
In 1950 he recorded movements 2, 3 and 4 with the Vienna Philharmonic, but only 2 and 4 were issued.
Movement 3 would have fit perfectly between movements 2 and 4 on CD 24.
Unfortunately Warner decided to put it on CD54 with some miscellanea.
The first movement was not recorded.

Furtwangler died in 1954, leaving several recording projects incomplete.
By limiting this collection to studio recordings, Warner has issued a box with enormous and infuriating gaps:
-- No Beethoven Symphonies 2 or 8
-- No Brahms Symphonies 3 or 4
-- No Bruckner Symphonies (just a single movement from the Seventh)
Following Furtwangler’s death, these gaps were filled by broadcast recordings.
Most critics actually preferred the risk-taking “live” Furtwangler to the more cautious conductor of the recording studio.
But at least the studio product is usually better recorded.
For a thorough analysis of the Furtwangler broadcasts, see John Ardoin’s book ‘The Furtwangler Record’ (published 1994).
I wish I could report that Warner has plans to follow this up with a box of the “Complete Broadcast Performances” on these same labels, but I have no inside knowledge.
For what it is, Warner’s “The Complete Wilhelm Furtwangler on Record” is extremely well-done (aside from the missing index).

“LIVE” PERFORMANCES IN THIS BOX:
These were special occasions, recorded by HMV and approved by Furtwangler for possible future release, though none were published during his lifetime.

PRE-WAR LIVE RECORDINGS:
The highlight of this collection.
First authorized release of the recordings made by Furtwangler and the Berlin Philharmonic during their 1937 visit to London. Part of the celebrations for the coronation of King George VI (Edward VIII had recently abdicated to marry an American adventuress).
The recordings were made by HMV engineers, not the BBC.
-- CD 5: Beethoven Ninth Symphony with the Berlin Philharmonic and the London Philharmonic Choir, recorded at a gala concert in Queens Hall in 1937. EMI issued it in 2004 as part of their “Great Conductors of the Century” series, but the repeats in the second movement were cut. This is the first authorized publication of the unedited performance.
-- CD 6-8: Wagner Ring (1937) with Kirsten Flagstad and Lauritz Melchior at the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden (where the London Philharmonic was the pit band). Reportedly, the entire Ring was recorded, but only Act 3 of Die Walkure, and 110 minutes of Die Gotterdammerung survive.

POSTWAR LIVE RECORDINGS:
-- CD 28: Beethoven Ninth Symphony at the 1951 postwar re-opening of the Bayreuth Festival. HMV issued it on LP in 1955 as a memorial to the recently deceased conductor. The recording on CD 28 is not identical to the famous HMV recording. Previous CD transfers timed in at 75:04. The new transfer is 77:20, but this includes three tracks (2 minutes, 31 seconds) devoted solely to “hall ambience” (audience noise). Perhaps to “prove” that this was recorded in concert, not in rehearsal as rumored.
-- CD 41-43: Bach St. Matthew Passion recorded at the 1954 Salzburg Easter Festival, just a few months before his death - Furtwangler may have sensed his mortality and viewed this as his final testament. In 1995 EMI issued an edited version on two CDs (150 minutes, 40 seconds). The new transfer is on three CDs (163 minutes, 12 seconds).
-- CD 54: Schubert Symphony 8 “Unfinished”: Vienna Philharmonic on tour in Copenhagen (1950). Not approved for release by Furtwangler - not sure what it’s doing here.

INDEX TO COMPOSERS:
(Operas and vocal excerpts are at the end of the list)
BPO = Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, LPO = London Philharmonic Orchestra, VPO = Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra.
The 1926-1936 recordings on CDs1-4 were made by Polydor, the predecessor of Deutsche Grammophon (they have an asterisk following the date).
The 1937-1954 recordings on CDs 5-54 were made by HMV, unless otherwise indicated.

BACH:
-- Brandenburg Concerto No.3: BPO-1930 * (CD3)
-- Orchestral Suite No.3: Air, BPO-1929 * (CD1)
-- St. Matthew Passion: VPO-1954 “live” (CD41-43)
BARTOK: Violin Concerto No.2 with Yehudi Menuhin, Philharmonia 1953 (CD37)
BEETHOVEN:
-- Symphony No.1: VPO-1952 (CD32)
-- Symphony No.3: VPO-1947 (CD14), VPO-1952 (CD33)
-- Symphony No.4: VPO-1950 (CD23), VPO-1952 (CD34)
-- Symphony No.5: BPO-1926 * (CD1), BPO-1937 (CD9), VPO-1954 (CD38)
-- Symphony No.6: VPO-1943 (CD12), VPO-1952 (CD32)
-- Symphony No.7: VPO-1950 (CD22)
-- Symphony No.9: BPO-1937 (CD5), Bayreuth 1951 (CD29) - both “live” recordings
-- Coriolan Overture: VPO-1947 (CD14)
-- Egmont Overture: BPO-1933 * (CD4)
-- Leonore Overture No.2: BPO-1954 (CD40)
-- Leonore Overture No.3: VPO-1953 (CD 49 included with Fidelio, see “Operas and Vocal Excerpts”)
-- String Quartet Op.130: Cavatina, BPO-1940 Telefunken recording (CD11)
-- Piano Concerto No.5 with Edwin Fischer, Philharmonia 1951 (CD27)
-- Violin Concerto with Yehudi Menuhin: Lucerne 1947 (CD13), Philharmonia 1953 (CD35)
-- Romances for Violin & Orchestra with Menuhin, Philharmonia 1953 (CD35)
BERLIOZ: Damnation of Faust: Rakoczy March, BPO-1930 * (CD 3), VPO-1949 (CD20)
BRAHMS:
-- Symphony No.1: VPO-1947 (CD16)
-- Symphony No.2: LPO-1948 Decca recording (CD17)
-- Hungarian Dance No.1: BPO-1930 * (CD3), VPO-1949 (CD20)
-- Hungarian Dance No.3: VPO-1949 (CD20)
-- Hungarian Dance No.10: BPO-1930 * (CD3), VPO-1949 (CD20)
-- Variations on a Theme by Haydn: VPO-1943 (CD12), VPO-1949 (CD20)
-- Violin Concerto with Yehudi Menuhin, Lucerne 1949 (CD21)
BRUCKNER: Symphony No.7: Adagio, BPO-1942 Telefunken recording (CD11)
CHERUBINI: Anacreon Overture: VPO-1951 (CD25)
DVORAK: Slavonic Dance Op.46, No.3: BPO-1930 * (CD3)
FRANCK: Symphony: VPO-1953 Decca recording (CD36)
FURTWANGLER:
-- Symphony No.2: BPO-1951 DG recording (CD29-30)
-- Symphonic Concerto with Edwin Fischer, second movement: BPO-1939 (CD11)
GLUCK:
-- Alceste Overture: BPO-1942 Telefunken recording (CD11), VPO-1954 (CD40)
-- Iphigenie en Aulide Overture: VPO-1954 (CD40)
HAYDN:
-- Symphony No.88: BPO-1951 DG recording (CD30)
-- Symphony No.94: VPO-1951 (CD26)
LISZT: Les Preludes: VPO-1954 (CD39)
MAHLER: Lieder eines Fahrenden Gesellen with Fischer-Dieskau, Philharmonia 1952 (CD31)
MENDELSSOHN:
-- Hebrides Overture: BPO-1930 * with rehearsal (CD3), VPO-1949 (CD18)
-- Midsummer Night’s Dream Overture: BPO-1929 * (CD1)
-- Violin Concerto with Yehudi Menuhin, BPO-1952 (CD27)
MOZART:
-- Symphony No.40: VPO-1948 (CD18)
-- Serenade K.361 "Gran Partita": VPO-1947 (CD15)
-- Serenade K.525 “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik”: BPO-1936 * (CD3), VPO-1949 (CD20)
-- Abduction from the Seraglio Overture: BPO-1933 * (CD4)
-- Marriage of Figaro Overture: BPO-1933 * (CD4)
NICOLAI: Merry Wives of Windsor Overture: VPO-1951 (CD26)
ROSSINI:
-- Barber of Seville Overture: BPO-1935 * (CD4)
-- Gazza Ladra Overture: BPO-1930 * (CD3)
SCHUBERT:
-- Symphony No.8: VPO-1950 - two recordings: studio (CD22) and “live” (CD54)
-- Symphony No.9: BPO-1951 DG recording (CD29)
-- Rosamunde Overture: BPO-1930 * (CD2), VPO-1951 (CD25)
-- Rosamunde Ballet Music No.2: BPO-1929 * (CD1), VPO-1950 (CD24)
-- Rosamunde Entr’acte No.3: BPO-1929 * (CD1), VPO-1950 (CD24)
SCHUMANN:
-- Symphony No.4: BPO-1953 DG recording (CD36)
-- Manfred Overture: VPO-1951 (CD26)
SMETANA: Vltava (Moldau) from Ma Vlast: VPO-1951 (CD26)
J.STRAUSS:
-- Die Fledermaus Overture: BPO-1936 * (CD4)
-- Emperor Waltz: VPO-1950 (CD23)
-- Pizzicato Polka: VPO-1950 with and without glockenspiel (CD24)
R.STRAUSS:
-- Don Juan: VPO-1954 (CD39)
-- Till Eulenspiegel: BPO-1930 * with rehearsal (CD2), VPO-1954 (CD39)
-- Death and Transfiguration: VPO-1950 (CD23)
TCHAIKOVSKY:
-- Symphony No.4: VPO-1951 (CD25)
-- Symphony No.6: BPO-1938 (CD10)
-- Serenade for Strings, movements 2,3,4: VPO-1950 (CD24 + CD54)
WAGNER - ORCHESTRAL EXCERPTS:
-- Fliegende Hollander Overture: VPO-1949 (CD19)
-- Gotterdammerung - Siegfried’s Rhine Journey: VPO-1949 (CD19), VPO-1954 (CD39)
-- Gotterdammerung - Funeral March: BPO-1933 * (CD4), VPO-1950 (CD24), VPO-1954 (CD39)
-- Lohengrin Prelude to Act One: BPO-1930 * (CD2), Lucerne 1949 (CD21), VPO-1954 (CD40)
-- Meistersinger Prelude to Act One: VPO-1949 (CD20)
-- Meistersinger Prelude to Act Three: VPO-1950 (CD24)
-- Meistersinger - Dance of the Apprentices: VPO-1949 (CD20)
-- Parsifal - Prelude & Good Friday Music: BPO-1938 (CD9)
-- Siegfried Idyll: VPO-1949 (CD19)
-- Tannhauser Overture VPO-1949 (CD19), VPO-1952 (CD34)
-- Tristan und Isolde Prelude & Liebestod: BPO-1930 * (CD2), BPO-1938 (CD9)
-- Die Walkure - Ride of the Valkyries: VPO-1949 (CD20)
WEBER:
-- Euryanthe Overture: VPO-1954 (CD40)
-- Der Freischutz Overture: BPO-1926 * (CD1), BPO-1935 * (CD4), VPO-1954 (CD40)
-- Der Freischutz Prelude to Act 3: BPO-1935 * (CD4)
-- Oberon Overture: VPO-1950 (CD24)
-- Invitation to the Dance (orch. Berlioz): BPO-1932 * (CD3)

CD 54: PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED HMV TEST PRESSINGS (1950)
with the Vienna Philharmonic:
-- SCHUBERT: Symphony No.8 ‘Unfinished’ (recorded live on tour in Copenhagen)
-- TCHAIKOVSKY: Serenade for Strings: Elegy (third movement), Furtwangler’s only recording.
+ alternate takes of Schubert, J.Strauss, Wagner

CD 55: DOCUMENTARY: “Memories of Furtwangler”
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

COMPLETE OPERAS AND VOCAL EXCERPTS:

BEETHOVEN: Fidelio: 1953 VPO (CD48-49)
with Modl, Windgassen, Jurinac, Schock, Frick, Edelmann

MOZART: Die Zauberflote arias: “O zitt’re nicht”, “Der Holle Rache” 1950 VPO (CD24)
with Wilma Lipp soprano

WAGNER: Die Walkure:
--- 1937 Act 3: “live” Royal Opera House, Covent Garden (LPO) (CD6)
with Flagstad, Muller, Bockelmann
--- 1954 complete opera VPO (CD50-53)
with Modl, Suthaus, Frantz, Rysanek, Klose, Frick

WAGNER: Die Gotterdammerung:
--- Excerpts from the Prologue and all three Acts (110 minutes) 1937 “live” Royal Opera House, Covent Garden (LPO) (CD7-8)
with Flagstad, Melchior, Janssen, Nezadal, Weber
--- Act 3: Brunnhilde’s Immolation:
with Kirsten Flagstad: 1948 Philharmonia (CD18), 1952 Philharmonia (CD31)

WAGNER: Tristan und Isolde:1952 Philharmonia (CD44-47)
with Flagstad, Suthaus, Thebom, Greindl, Fischer-Dieskau

* Polydor recordings, 1926-1936 (Polydor was the predecessor of Deutsche Grammophon).
作者: modianhaonan    时间: 2023-2-8 14:54
这套不是说不咋滴么
作者: stevenxian    时间: 2023-2-8 14:56
扫了一眼discogs有人扫了这套的封套封底（好耶），以及没找到音频资源。

要不我这个自封的绿坛头号富特黑表示，我来抓一份？2333
作者: zeppelin    时间: 2023-2-8 15:07
stevenxian 发表于 2023-2-8 14:56
扫了一眼discogs有人扫了这套的封套封底（好耶），以及没找到音频资源。

要不我这个自封的绿坛头号富特 ...

好耶
作者: scfan    时间: 2023-2-8 15:11
stevenxian 发表于 2023-2-8 14:56
扫了一眼discogs有人扫了这套的封套封底（好耶），以及没找到音频资源。

要不我这个自封的绿坛头号富特 ...

好耶
作者: scfan    时间: 2023-2-8 15:16
本帖最后由 scfan 于 2023-2-8 15:18 编辑
modianhaonan 发表于 2023-2-8 14:54
这套不是说不咋滴么

发烧友普遍不喜欢华纳的转制，但我觉得华纳的转制大多比EMI时期的乐感要好（相应在乐器表达上会差一点）。ICON包子除外（这个华纳和EMI没有差别，应该用了同一种技术）。

还有一套存疑的是Walter Gieseking的华纳大包，不知道是不是外包给小作坊Art et Son Studio的缘故，还是听的那套抓轨的问题。同曲目不如ICON
作者: stevenxian    时间: 2023-2-8 15:27
zeppelin 发表于 2023-2-8 15:07
好耶

这个工期估计久了2333

最近太忙少说得一两周。

p. s. 其实感觉这个不如king records再版的两版tahra 40/42CD包子有趣，虽说乱入了一些日中心和dg的录音，以及有法协的协力。胜在便宜和新转制吧。
作者: dxs390413    时间: 2023-2-8 15:34
stevenxian 发表于 2023-2-8 15:27
这个工期估计久了2333

最近太忙少说得一两周。

那就来大神说更好的“king records再版的两版tahra 40/42CD包子“！
作者: llbird2021    时间: 2023-2-8 16:04
这套我主要关注一下拜鲁伊特贝九的重制吧。

加了两分钟观众席噪声？

拜鲁伊特贝九到底是不是剪辑的啊？或者说剪了哪几段？

-- CD 28: Beethoven Ninth Symphony at the 1951 postwar re-opening of the Bayreuth Festival. HMV issued it on LP in 1955 as a memorial to the recently deceased conductor. The recording on CD 28 is not identical to the famous HMV recording. Previous CD transfers timed in at 75:04. The new transfer is 77:20, but this includes three tracks (2 minutes, 31 seconds) devoted solely to “hall ambience” (audience noise). Perhaps to “prove” that this was recorded in concert, not in rehearsal as rumored.

作者: stevenxian    时间: 2023-2-8 16:12
llbird2021 发表于 2023-2-8 16:04
这套我主要关注一下拜鲁伊特贝九的重制吧。

加了两分钟观众席噪声？

通行的说法是首乐章是排练录音，后三（四）个乐章是现场录音。51拜节现场，orfeo和bis各自出过不同音源的现场版吧（中协还出了后者的非官方修复版）。
作者: llbird2021    时间: 2023-2-8 16:14
scfan 发表于 2023-2-8 15:16
发烧友普遍不喜欢华纳的转制，但我觉得华纳的转制大多比EMI时期的乐感要好（相应在乐器表达上会差一点） ...

我个人感觉就是，流行口玩的是响度战争，而古典口模拟重制喜欢调eq，把中高频略微调高一点点，典型的90年代的大荷花中价。再比如1961年安塞尔+捷爱的新大陆，这两天对比91年和02年两版重制cd，也很明显，91年铜管太亮了。

而华纳相比，中高频似乎正常一点，相对而言就会稍微暗一点。不过听起来不会那么累。也许适合循环播放。。



作者: stevenxian    时间: 2023-2-8 16:20
本帖最后由 stevenxian 于 2023-2-8 16:29 编辑

翻了翻网盘发现了一点神奇的东西顺便发上来吧，当是预热了。

随着这套CD，华纳官方发行了33套24-192文件，涵盖了这套cd里面很大的一部分。我这边收集了其中的30套（其实这也是我一直没有想法抓这套cd的原因）。我忘掉漏掉哪些了（我印象中至少是差梅纽因的巴托克小协，费舍尔的第五钢协，然后还有一个啥，文件夹里面的费舍尔第五钢协不是这批转制，我也一并传了。一套理查交响诗、一套海顿主题变奏曲梅纽因勃小协、一套梅纽因贝小协正在传，可能晚些时候能上传完毕。），看看能不能有机会再补上吧。当然llbird2021大神提到的emi版51拜节贝九也在里面。

s/1eQKTjNIArtFuFzLneXsmoA?pwd=fq7a
作者: dxs390413    时间: 2023-2-8 16:20
stevenxian 发表于 2023-2-8 15:27
这个工期估计久了2333

最近太忙少说得一两周。

另，stevenxian神能否分享些老克莱伯的包子资源。
很喜欢Erich·Kleiber的贝交，相比小克莱伯的就没那么喜欢。
作者: dxs390413    时间: 2023-2-8 16:23
stevenxian 发表于 2023-2-8 16:20
翻了翻网盘发现了一点神奇的东西顺便发上来吧，当是预热了。

随着这套CD，华纳官方发行了33套24-192文件 ...

真棒！
发吧，多发吧。我买了12T的硬盘，有地方存！

作者: stevenxian    时间: 2023-2-8 16:33
本帖最后由 stevenxian 于 2023-2-8 16:34 编辑
dxs390413 发表于 2023-2-8 16:20
另，stevenxian神能否分享些老克莱伯的包子资源。
很喜欢Erich·Kleiber的贝交，相比小克莱伯 ...

老克前年decca出了所谓decca全集录音，雄辩出了polydor全集录音，大概挺全了吧。

decca全集：magnet:?xt=urn:btih:7CD030AF9A4A38DE6A1002A7D28D495B0151FE6F

polydor全集需要在这两个链接包子里面找一下，看看哪个好用吧：

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:292CAF60F3F005295BC9EFB64DE1E47B30CFB2FE

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:B4EE2D9B89273557151C8495D438A3B8636DBA22

p. s. 虽说拉踩不好，但是我很不喜欢小克（所谓粉丝过多的逆反心理
作者: llbird2021    时间: 2023-2-8 16:33
stevenxian 发表于 2023-2-8 16:20
翻了翻网盘发现了一点神奇的东西顺便发上来吧，当是预热了。

随着这套CD，华纳官方发行了33套24-192文件 ...

感恩的心，感谢有你！





作者: dxs390413    时间: 2023-2-8 16:39
stevenxian 发表于 2023-2-8 16:33
老克前年decca出了所谓decca全集录音，雄辩出了polydor全集录音，大概挺全了吧。

decca全集：magnet:? ...

谢谢及时回复！
在大神这学习很多、收获太多，感谢！

作者: 很不牛的俺    时间: 2023-2-8 16:56
stevenxian 发表于 2023-2-8 16:20
翻了翻网盘发现了一点神奇的东西顺便发上来吧，当是预热了。

随着这套CD，华纳官方发行了33套24-192文件 ...

感谢~~
作者: scfan    时间: 2023-2-9 10:08
stevenxian 发表于 2023-2-8 16:20
翻了翻网盘发现了一点神奇的东西顺便发上来吧，当是预热了。

随着这套CD，华纳官方发行了33套24-192文件 ...

感谢！太棒了！
作者: scfan    时间: 2023-2-9 14:42
本帖最后由 scfan 于 2023-2-9 15:08 编辑
llbird2021 发表于 2023-2-8 16:14
我个人感觉就是，流行口玩的是响度战争，而古典口模拟重制喜欢调eq，把中高频略微调高一点点，典型的90年 ...

我的听法比较（非常）不主流，不太关注中高音或低音等，我比较在意乐感，或节奏感，具体指乐句的分句或几个音的长短、轻重处理，或者说rubato比较接近这个概念。同一个录音，举个例子，Edwin Fischer和富特合作的皇帝钢协，最贵的CD是老参考版(封面是费舍和富特各一枚头像)，后来出过用ART处理技术的“参考”(封面为绿/红单色，只有费舍的单色照片)，再后来费舍的ICON包子里也重发了这个录音。三个版本的节奏感我觉得是逐渐在进步的，到了ICON包子到了一个非常高的高度，这种节奏感所带来的（动态的）音色，我认为是仅有少数的超级大师才能达到的领域。但与此同时，乐器的清晰度表达就下降很多，不喜欢的人觉得ICON的音质不高级，声音有点糊，老参考就会好很多。

之前对比Huberman贝小协老参考和华纳新转制，感觉和上述ICON的提升方向是一致的。所以这次比较关注富特这个华纳包子的转录，能不能还有进步





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